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ガメラ @ 高松派 + 全国制覇
20/03/19(四)18:07:21 ID:cDw.LGww
No.1066232
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我继续阅读1940年代及1950年代的英文报纸。
聽說在1940年代尾,某三月,USAAF曾經有五架戰機在九州上空賽飛機。
A-20, A-26, P-38, P-51, P-61.
在九州南端排成一條橫線後,盡快返歸到福岡県芦屋基地。
https://epdf.pub/the-421st-night-fighter-squadron-in-world-war-ii.html
Another incident involving Captain Behnke was his involvement in an "unofficial" airplane race that took place in Japan that March.
Behnke still remembers it well: This began up at Ashiya, Japan, where Lt. Larry Lackey and our P-61s were located at that time.
Larry was drinking with members of the various other squadrons stationed there and bragging to them just how great the P-61 Black Widow was.
Naturally, the other units were not impressed with the wonder machine; to them their own aircraft were much better.
By the end of the evening a "race" was organized between all parties.
The race would include a P-51, a P-38, an A-20, an A-26, and of course the P-61.
The date, time, and course were soon set up, and as far as I remember there was a lot of betting all around.
There were more or less a lot of people involved.
All this without a word to higher headquarters, who most likely would have killed the plan.
The course would start on the southern end of Kyushu, where all the aircraft would line up abreast to start, and the course would end on the deck at Ashiya.
ガメラ @ 高松派 + 全国制覇
20/03/19(四)18:07:57 ID:cDw.LGww
No.1066233
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比賽結果:
All participants stripped down their airplanes; in fact, if I remember right, the P-51 was a reconnaissance version and already pretty light and fast.
I was the only one in the P-61 that day, and Larry had stripped it down so much that it would not even start.
After getting it going we all went to the starting point.
After getting all lined up in flight, somebody on the ground yelled go, at which time we firewalled the planes all the way back.
The results of the race put the P-51 first, the A-26 second, the P-38 took third, my P-61 was fourth, and the A-20 came in last and very far behind.
Bragging rights were established, and some people made money I am sure.
I remember the P-51 pilot kept trying to stall me before the race.
I think he was really worried that the P-61 was going to beat him.
After all was said and done, Headquarters never did know a thing about it.
無名
20/03/20(五)17:44:37 ID:705DfM8c
No.1066282
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A-26有這麼快,可以飛到第二名喔
ガメラ @ 高松派 + 全国制覇
20/03/20(五)18:56:42 ID:p9ng0RkU
No.1066289
del
>>1066282
不过Google大师说:
P-38閃電式戰鬥機/最高時速
713 公里/小時
P-51戰鬥機/最高時速
703 公里/小時
P-61戰鬥機/最高時速
589 公里/小時
B-26轟炸機/最高時速
571 公里/小時
A-20浩劫攻擊機/最高時速
546 公里/小時
無名
20/03/22(日)09:49:59 ID:QQZ6mM06
No.1066441
del
>>1066289
也要考慮飛行高度啦
無名
20/03/22(日)09:53:33 ID:QQZ6mM06
No.1066442
del
>>1066289
忘了說
末期型的P-51D極速應該不止703kph,何況文中提到那台P-51是輕型的偵察機版本
無名
20/03/22(日)10:59:53 ID:8BB1FBc.
No.1066451
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>>1066289
>P-38閃電式戰鬥機/最高時速
>713 公里/小時
即使是換裝Merlin的P-38K 極速也就432mph (695km/h。官測)
開緊急動力後上升到450mph (724km/h。測試團隊的工程師預估)
而其他裝備Allison的沒有一款量產型P-38極速是破700的 從初期的628km/h到末期的666km/h不一而足
這個713km/h的極速根本不對應任何一款P-38型號 不知道哪個智障編的
族系中的XP-58雖然在測試中有突破700大關過 (702km/h) 但那是無武裝測得的 而且除速度和火力外 因為機體太重其餘性能劣於P-38而被廢棄
ガメラ你已經貼過太多錯誤資訊了...發文之前找資料核實一下 不要像個凡事查wiki或google第一頁資訊就上來獻寶的小鬼好不好
ガメラ @ 高松派 + 全国制覇
20/03/22(日)12:38:03 ID:xccorfaA
No.1066461
del
>>1066431
Vagabond 不在此列表中。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_Allied_names_for_Japanese_aircraft
World_War_II_Allied_names_for_Japanese_aircraft
>>1066451
谢谢你,斯波克先生。
我是军盲。
無名
20/03/22(日)17:17:18 ID:Y8qHEye2
No.1066478
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>>1066431
>>1066461
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-15_Vagabond
我猜是與PA-15類似的教練機或小飛機
當下未知名字而拿已方型號代稱一下
故實際機型沒其它資料大概不可考
ガメラ @ 高松派 + 全国制覇
20/03/22(日)18:59:45 ID:xccorfaA
No.1066488
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>>1066451
认真地说,我在验证此列表中的每架飞机和每位飞行员。
http://accident-report.com/world/asia/japan.html
我已经检查了此类似的列表。
http://accident-report.com/world/asia/japan2.html
我想我已经检查过另一页的Formosa (台湾) 列表。
http://accident-report.com/world/asia/formosa.html
ガメラ @ 高松派 + 全国制覇
20/03/23(一)20:58:56 ID:UwTfAFLA
No.1066565
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Thursday, 27 July 1950:
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/8861764/
'Caught' Live Torpedo; 30 Fishermen Killed
1950/07/27
Tokyo, July 27 f/D - A live torpedo lying on the bottom of the sea was caught in the nets of a Japanese fishing boat today.
As it was hauled aboard it exploded, killing 30 fishermen and injuring 10.
The accident occurred in the Inland Sea off Hiroshima prefecture, the Maritime Safety Board reported.
ガメラ @ 高松派 + 全国制覇
20/03/24(二)18:06:09 ID:1gCiUDmk
No.1066634
del
>>1066478
https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/detail.jsp?Entt=RDMDC-TSPA_0019220F&R=DC-TSPA_0019220F
會不會是記者聽錯了Baka Bomb?
無名
20/03/25(三)10:58:49 ID:CAJ0LhWw
No.1066686
del
>>1066442
P-51D的偵察機型F-6D並沒有進行減重工程
不如說因為追加了照相器材而稍微變重
且因攝像頭開口的關係 機體表面的阻力也微增
不過看一些運用的紀錄顯示 好像還是可以飛到超過710km/h就是了
>the P-51 was a reconnaissance version and already pretty light and fast.
上文這段講的應該是指P-51是相較於其他四架又輕又快 或為了參賽進行了減重 應該不是偵查型比較輕量化的意思
無名
20/03/25(三)14:09:39 ID:0fxXNu0s
No.1066695
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>>1066686
原來沒減過重
句字中pretty light and fast 這兩個形容詞都不是在比較, 文中先說明是偵察形就立刻令我聯想偵察形比戰鬥形(P51D/K)輕
>>不如說因為追加了照相器材而稍微變重
剛狗了一下,原來F-6D是有武裝的
我還以為是不帶機槍只負責偵察XD
無名
20/03/25(三)14:59:54 ID:CAJ0LhWw
No.1066699
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>>1066695
的確 因為原句都不是比較形 會誤解也是難免的
那句的語意是"參賽的P-51是偵查型 已經是既輕且快" 不過這個輕快應該是跟其餘四架雙發機比出來的 而不是跟普通的P-51D相比
>我還以為是不帶機槍只負責偵察XD
如果完全不帶武裝可以省出500kg左右 機翼前緣再把突起去掉 槍口填上作氣動順形
飛到720~730km/h應無困難
但這種長途比賽看極速不準 擁有高的巡航速度會比較有利 (如果戰鬥巡航能撐很久又會更有利 不然就只能看誰的經濟巡航比較快了)
不過P-51D的戰鬥巡航有350mph (563km/h) 又能以這個狀態飛45分鐘以上 是滿有利的
我印象中當時單發機巡航速度能贏野馬的機種不多
P-63有一兩個次型這個值高達611km/h 如果不比開WEP的極速而比戰鬥巡航 (像是不比百米衝刺而比400m甚至1600m項目) 那幾款P-63會贏梅林野馬
但目標不能太遠就是了...不然P-63的航程有可能不夠長
雖說P-63的轉場航程也超過3000km甚至有4000km的數據 但那是拆光武裝又外油超載到最大的狀態 這種狀態下飛起來應該沒比P-51有利
ガメラ @ 高松派 + 全国制覇
20/03/26(四)18:44:04 ID:SIPvgeRM
No.1066787
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Monday, 12 November 1951:
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/36522337/
Heckle Hirohito
Leftists Students
1951/11/15
KYOTO, Japan, Nov. 12 - (/?) - Leftist students heckled Emperor Hirohito today when the monarch arrived at Kyoto university, t he was not molested.
Kyodo News agency reported several hundred in a crowd of some 3,000 students hoisted placards and sang the communist "Internationale."
Police rushed to the scene and' kept back the students with clubs.
The emperor, considered divine in Japan before the allied occupation, was ushered into a building by the university president.
It was the first reported instance of a demonstration against the emperor.
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