軍武

>>1138154
雷達是很貴的

>>1138154
很容易理解不是嗎?
造價比MBT還貴
防空能力還比不上刺針
最後只能跟IFV搶地面上的軟目標打

>>1138159
刺針鎖敵系統只有肉眼MK0

>>1138159
但是打地面軟目標
拿ZU-23-2架上皮卡車，機動性好又只要它的一點點零頭

要不然改造成防砲擊,火箭和攻頂飛彈的防禦型甲車呢?

>>1138154

機砲射程短代表射擊機會短
射擊機會短代表電子零件(信號處理 操控自動化)和機械結構(砲塔與砲口指向 行進間射擊)的需求會更高
而且為了進一步壓榨命中與擊殺效率用上可編程引信彈藥 每一顆AHEAD彈概念上就相當於1/3顆飛彈

>>1138154
搜索雷達很貴，能打次音速目標的火控雷達也不便宜
中口徑機炮重量體積也不小
還要把它整合到一台車的大小上能協調工作不打架
這能簡單便宜嗎?

>>1138154

呼んだ？

https://baike.baidu.com/item/AGM-45“百舌鸟”反辐射导弹/1501950

AGM-45 "百舌鸟" 反辐射导弹

怀旧。

https://archive.org/stream/falcon-3.0-ibm-flight-manual/Falcon%203.0%20-%20IBM%20Flight%20Manual_djvu.txt
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https://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-45.html

AGM-45A Shrike

Seeker: Passive radar
Warhead: 145 lb fragmentation
Length: 10 ft
Range: 12 miles
Weight: 395 lb
Drag factor: 40

The AGM-45A Shrike is an anti-radiation missile effective against continuous wave (CW) radar emitters.
These include all enemy air defense radar systems except the SA-8 Gecko.
While the F-16 lacks the avionic systems to be a true Wild Weasel platform, you may be asked to perform this mission anyway.

>>1138165

你得到了一個沒有主炮只有高射機炮的MBT車體
造價自然也是MBT級，但能打飛機.....

>>1138240

呼んだ？

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/M247約克中士式防空砲車

約克中士式防空砲車

Based on the M48 Patton tank, it replaced the Patton's turret with a new one that featured twin radar-directed Bofors 40 mm rapid-fire guns.

The Sergeant York was intended to fight alongside the M1 Abrams and M2 Bradley in the U.S. Army, in a role similar to the Soviet ZSU-23-4 and German Flakpanzer Gepard.

>>1138165
雖然標槍等級的攻頂飛彈大概還是擋不住啦...
不過想借串問一下，那像TOW-2B或BILL 2這種早期的攻頂彈，俄羅斯現有的手段能抵擋嗎?(車頂柵欄or反應裝甲、主動防禦系統等)

>>1138245
拖飛的威力比標槍更高
他算是比標槍高一級的反戰車飛彈

>>1138245
標槍跟拖式2型是不一樣的狀況.
後者跟傳統ATGM差異不大,只是打臉改打頭頂

但標槍是整個攻擊軌跡大不同,比較像遇到直升機或飛機發射ASM的狀況.

>>1138247
我是想說TOW-2B和BILL 2這種戰鬥部小的飛彈，同時攻頂前也是會往目標飛的攻頂飛彈
會不會現在烏克蘭遭遇到的車頂柵欄就可以擋
雖然查到附圖才發現原來也有2個戰鬥部去防反應裝甲，感覺打下去也是凶多吉少

我一直覺得防空車在未來的用途不會是打飛機，而是攔截飛彈和砲彈

>>1138254
還有無人機

>>1138245
裝藥量跟標槍就不是同個量級了

俄羅斯到現在才丟了一千多顆導彈
美國第二次伊拉克戰爭跟阿富汗戰爭的第一天灑多少顆啊

>>1138258
好像看過輕量化易於機動的腳架
不過這東西真的很像戰防砲的直系後裔

>>1138244
那個雷達罩感覺真像宮崎駿建築的煙囪
>>1138154
後期開始有些設計在機炮旁邊外掛防空飛彈
好像打算從近接防空拓展到點防空
原本只能保護一個連之後希望能保護一個旅?
但只做了一半就拉倒放棄了的感覺

>>1138336
不就2K22嗎

>>1138337

https://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-146.html

Oerlikon/Lockheed Martin MIM-146 ADATS

When the X-band pulse-doppler search radar has detected a target, it is tracked by the passive optical (TV or FLIR) sensors, which are immune to anti-radiation missiles and ECM.
When the target is in range, a missile is fired, and guided along a digitally coded laser beam.
The missile's dual-purpose (anti-armour/anti-aircraft) warhead is detonated either by a laser proximity or by a mechanical impact fuze.
The missile can be used against low-flying aircraft and helicopters, as well as armoured vehicles and tanks.
While this dual capability may sound very advantageous at first, the missile is much more expensive than other anti-armour missiles.

>>1138249
這設計就是用第一個戰鬥部是抵銷反應裝甲或破壞鐵窗裝甲，讓第二戰鬥部達成穿甲，這不是凶多吉少而已，而是必穿。

>>1138336
還有無雷達紅外線防空車，沒有雷達造價就會低非常多，無雷達也不怕SEAD沿著雷達波摸進來反殺

但代價是效率也會低非常非常多，肉眼偵查太慢了，依然需要戰友的雷達來幫忙

>>1138276
第二次伊拉克戰爭期間總計丟了802顆左右的戰斧
阿富汗戰爭反而沒扔多少戰斧 大概是覺得不需要執行什麼手術刀攻擊 都直接飛戰機進去轟炸的
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/bgm-109-operation.htm

>>1138414
話說這可以只裝多基雷達的接受端嗎？
發射機就佈置異地多台跳著輪流開機照射

>>1138414

在战斗条件下，手动遥控。

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/03/video-and-pictures-russia-has-unleashed-its-cruise-missile-arsenal-on-ukraine/

Video and Pictures: Russia Has Unleashed Its Cruise Missile Arsenal on Ukraine

2022/03/10

But rather than rely on the vehicle’s two smaller fire control radars for guidance, the operators opted to painstakingly guide the missile using a backup optical targeting system to avoid countermeasures.
Course adjustments were automatically transmitted by radio to the missile as it whirled towards its target at nearly three times the speed of sound.

According to the Pentagon, by March 9 the Russian military had launched at least 670 cruise and ballistic missiles in its war with Ukraine, a figure increasing by a few dozen every day.

>>1138418
記得丟戰斧的成本比派飛機進去炸還高
如果對手沒啥對空能力
就會比較偏向派飛機去炸
然後用大砲轟又比派飛機的成本更低

>>1138163
但是這類貨車就是薄皮阿

連步槍都有機會反制

>>1138440
>>如果對手沒啥對空能力
這年頭B-52帶JDAM或SDB一個架次就能精確砸死上百個目標...
連會動的也沒問題

>>1138418
10萬美元一發的JDAM
炸
10美元一頂的帳篷

>>1138467
那個塑膠蓋裡面的雷射頭好像比專職的雷射導引炸彈頭還便宜
大小又很迷你 不知道怎麼弄的

>>1138517
半導體的進步啊.